Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review

Mon Oct 2 13:13:53 PDT 2006

I just wanted to chime in and say thanks to all who were involved in putting together the listserv guidelines.  I think this is great work, and I think the guidelines laid out here are more than adequate. 

I do have one obesrvation/question/suggestion:  If someone has the power to remove postings that contain inflamatory comments, then isn't it true that the list is, in fact, monitored?  I'm wondering if we shouldn't change the language in the guidelines to say that the list is monitored for inflamatory speech only.  Also, if someone is removed for Inflamatory speech, who will remove them?  Is it the board?  

That's the only thing I really see, and I'm not sure it's such a big deal.  Again, thanks for all the time and energy that was invested in this.

Vicky

---- thisrocks at mac.com wrote: 
> I like the phrase: "Listserve is Self Moderated"
> 
> Thank you all for your hardwork.
> -Aaron
> 
> On Sep 30, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Michelle Steinberg wrote:
> 
> Hi Maureen:
> Just my thoughts on the issues you raise
> I believe the phrase "all topics" makes it clear that we can share  
> information about anything that anyone in the neighborhood thinks  
> might be interesting to the others on the listserve.  To limit it to  
> just Coronado issues, we would have to determine what those are, list  
> them somewhere and require that people only speak to those issues.   
> Way too restrictive, I think.  There are so many things going on that  
> we can and should be sharing with one another that could impact us  
> from any number areas, it should not be limited.
> 
> We are advocating for a self-monitored system and under the heading  
> "Moderator" we define that, It can certainly be changed to "Listserve  
> is Self Moderated"
> 
> The whole point of this exercise was to provide neighbors with a set  
> of guidelines that they would agree to if they chose to participate  
> on the listserve.   We will always retain the right and the ability  
> to remove people if we cannot stop the flow of "prohibited" language  
> such as discriminatory language or criminal behavior but we believe  
> that people will accept the guidelines, understand them and act  
> accordingly.
> 
> Setting forth these guidelines gives participants an understanding of  
> their personal responsibility when posting without squelching the  
> free flow of good ideas, important information, and the opportunity  
> to get to know one another without a third party watching,  
> controlling and dictating how we communicate.  The purpose behind the  
> creation of the guidelines was to set some broad parameters, giving  
> people a wide berth to express themselves in a positive, neighborly  
> manner.
> 
> I don't think we have to be punitive to get people to adhere to the  
> guidelines, so providing for some sort of enforcement automatically  
> sets a negative tone.  We really wanted to create something that  
> would give people the responsibility to police themselves and each  
> other, take ownership and create buy in.  That's the way to  
> encouraging good behavior, not with threats and punishment.
> 
> and something has changed, we now have written guidelines that set  
> forth our standards for use of the listserve with expectation that we  
> will all follow them.
> Michelle
> 
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maureen Rooney
> To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review
> 
> For what it is (or isn't) worth, here are some specific comments on  
> the proposed guidelines:
> 
> - "This listserv is open to all topics." Isn't the topic Coronado...  
> the neighborhood... as broad as that may be? (but as opposed to world  
> politics, just as one example)
> - Message size: 2 mg may be fine with the server, but that's huge if  
> you are dial-up (some people still are. I think that even 1 mg would  
> be a problem for them.)
> - The heading "moderator" is doublespeak. Sorry. But if there is no  
> moderation in the proposed guidelines, which seems to be the case,  
> then just say it. Unmoderated.
> - I don't understand the "never post unsubscribe messages to the  
> list" rule that's suggested. How is that "unfair to others" exactly?  
> Why wouldn't we want to know that people are leaving, and why, if  
> they choose to share their reasons?
> - "We prohibit..." and "Never" show up in several places. Yet as  
> Roobin points out, there is no way to enforce that language.
> 
> In general, it seems that the guidelines use a lot of words to say  
> that nothing has changed. If a subscriber doesn't like what's  
> happening, they are free to leave. That hardly seems neighborly--Maureen
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jo Clute
> To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
> Sent: 9/29/2006 11:04:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review
> 
> Roobin,
> 
> What were your specific suggestions?
> 
> Please share those with us also..
> 
> Everyone was invited to be on the committee.
> 
> This proposal incorporated EVERY single suggestion we, the comittee,  
> recieved from everyone who provided input
> 
> we also sent the proposal out and again asked for futher input. And  
> refined it again.
> 
> The result is what we have shared with everyone in "public"  
> everything has been disclosed.
> 
> thank you for your input........?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: roobin
> To: Central City Discussion
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review
> 
> Observations:
> 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system.
> 2. The Delete key is still your only control.
> 3. There are no provisions for enforcement.
> 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this  
> guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals  
> no moderation.
> 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous  
> posts to "play nice" with one another.  If past requests for self  
> moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be?
> 
> R.
> 
> PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in  
> private, please share them.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wayne Murray
> To: Gcna-Members
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM
> Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review
> 
> Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review,  
> comment and input.
> 
> 
> 
> History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list  
> format.  If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns.
> 
> Action:  The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into  
> the problems" and recommend "solutions".
> 
> Where we are now:  Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the  
> discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes.
> 
> 
> 
> It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were  
> viewed as being unique to the "problem".  So it has been interesting  
> to discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss  
> resolution and prevention.  We spent a lot of time selecting from the  
> archive those times when "concern" may have been in order,  
> discovering patterns and coming up with solutions.  We also searched  
> the internet for examples of similar discussion lists and their rules  
> and codes of conduct.  Additionally, we set up an e-mail box  
> whatevercomments at cox.net  to receive comments from individuals.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado  
> Neighborhood.  It is an entry point for new residents.  A place for  
> those who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and
> 
> how you may want to become more involved.  A place to engage in  
> exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange.  We  
> thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is  
> what most of the threads were all about.  It would be impossible to  
> operate it through delayed postings.  We also thought it very  
> important that subscribers be empowered to moderate the information  
> coming into their own computers,  but at the same time not moderate  
> what someone else may desire to have come into theirs.  We hope that  
> along with giving you that responsibility,  we have provided you with  
> the tools to customize the list to serve to your standards. Safety  
> and caution with regard to personal information, on this list serv,  
> originates and ends with you.  We hope we have given you a guide for  
> that also.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what  
> we have preserved.  It is only one part of the information resource  
> available to Coronado. Others exist, also.   If you prefer a more  
> structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum  
> at  http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm  as an alternate to the discussion  
> list.  Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you  
> would prefer.  See below:
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> Joining the Announcements Group
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> 
> The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive   
> announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums.  This  
> group can be joined voluntarily.  You can also remove yourself at any  
> time.
> 
> 
> 
> To join the group:
> 
>   .     Log In to the Forum.
> 
>   .     Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen.
> 
>   .     Under Current Memberships, select Announcements.
> 
>   .     Click View Information.
> 
>   .     On the following screen, click Join Group.
> 
> 
> 
>   Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator.  The moderator
> 
>   will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive any
> 
> announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board  
> Member.
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> 
> The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this  
> proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word  
> document.
> 
> 
> 
> It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the  
> Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond.
> 
> 
> 
> Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place.
> 
> 
> 
> “Collect responsibility…….don’t give it away”
> 
> 
> 
> Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members
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