Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review
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thisrocks at mac.com
Mon Oct 2 06:39:30 PDT 2006
I like the phrase: "Listserve is Self Moderated"
Thank you all for your hardwork.
-Aaron
On Sep 30, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Michelle Steinberg wrote:
Hi Maureen:
Just my thoughts on the issues you raise
I believe the phrase "all topics" makes it clear that we can share
information about anything that anyone in the neighborhood thinks
might be interesting to the others on the listserve. To limit it to
just Coronado issues, we would have to determine what those are, list
them somewhere and require that people only speak to those issues.
Way too restrictive, I think. There are so many things going on that
we can and should be sharing with one another that could impact us
from any number areas, it should not be limited.
We are advocating for a self-monitored system and under the heading
"Moderator" we define that, It can certainly be changed to "Listserve
is Self Moderated"
The whole point of this exercise was to provide neighbors with a set
of guidelines that they would agree to if they chose to participate
on the listserve. We will always retain the right and the ability
to remove people if we cannot stop the flow of "prohibited" language
such as discriminatory language or criminal behavior but we believe
that people will accept the guidelines, understand them and act
accordingly.
Setting forth these guidelines gives participants an understanding of
their personal responsibility when posting without squelching the
free flow of good ideas, important information, and the opportunity
to get to know one another without a third party watching,
controlling and dictating how we communicate. The purpose behind the
creation of the guidelines was to set some broad parameters, giving
people a wide berth to express themselves in a positive, neighborly
manner.
I don't think we have to be punitive to get people to adhere to the
guidelines, so providing for some sort of enforcement automatically
sets a negative tone. We really wanted to create something that
would give people the responsibility to police themselves and each
other, take ownership and create buy in. That's the way to
encouraging good behavior, not with threats and punishment.
and something has changed, we now have written guidelines that set
forth our standards for use of the listserve with expectation that we
will all follow them.
Michelle
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----- Original Message -----
From: Maureen Rooney
To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review
For what it is (or isn't) worth, here are some specific comments on
the proposed guidelines:
- "This listserv is open to all topics." Isn't the topic Coronado...
the neighborhood... as broad as that may be? (but as opposed to world
politics, just as one example)
- Message size: 2 mg may be fine with the server, but that's huge if
you are dial-up (some people still are. I think that even 1 mg would
be a problem for them.)
- The heading "moderator" is doublespeak. Sorry. But if there is no
moderation in the proposed guidelines, which seems to be the case,
then just say it. Unmoderated.
- I don't understand the "never post unsubscribe messages to the
list" rule that's suggested. How is that "unfair to others" exactly?
Why wouldn't we want to know that people are leaving, and why, if
they choose to share their reasons?
- "We prohibit..." and "Never" show up in several places. Yet as
Roobin points out, there is no way to enforce that language.
In general, it seems that the guidelines use a lot of words to say
that nothing has changed. If a subscriber doesn't like what's
happening, they are free to leave. That hardly seems neighborly--Maureen
----- Original Message -----
From: Jo Clute
To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
Sent: 9/29/2006 11:04:26 AM
Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review
Roobin,
What were your specific suggestions?
Please share those with us also..
Everyone was invited to be on the committee.
This proposal incorporated EVERY single suggestion we, the comittee,
recieved from everyone who provided input
we also sent the proposal out and again asked for futher input. And
refined it again.
The result is what we have shared with everyone in "public"
everything has been disclosed.
thank you for your input........?
----- Original Message -----
From: roobin
To: Central City Discussion
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review
Observations:
1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system.
2. The Delete key is still your only control.
3. There are no provisions for enforcement.
4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this
guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals
no moderation.
5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous
posts to "play nice" with one another. If past requests for self
moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be?
R.
PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in
private, please share them.
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Murray
To: Gcna-Members
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM
Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review
Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review,
comment and input.
History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list
format. If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns.
Action: The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into
the problems" and recommend "solutions".
Where we are now: Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the
discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes.
It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were
viewed as being unique to the "problem". So it has been interesting
to discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss
resolution and prevention. We spent a lot of time selecting from the
archive those times when "concern" may have been in order,
discovering patterns and coming up with solutions. We also searched
the internet for examples of similar discussion lists and their rules
and codes of conduct. Additionally, we set up an e-mail box
whatevercomments at cox.net to receive comments from individuals.
The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado
Neighborhood. It is an entry point for new residents. A place for
those who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and
how you may want to become more involved. A place to engage in
exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange. We
thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is
what most of the threads were all about. It would be impossible to
operate it through delayed postings. We also thought it very
important that subscribers be empowered to moderate the information
coming into their own computers, but at the same time not moderate
what someone else may desire to have come into theirs. We hope that
along with giving you that responsibility, we have provided you with
the tools to customize the list to serve to your standards. Safety
and caution with regard to personal information, on this list serv,
originates and ends with you. We hope we have given you a guide for
that also.
When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what
we have preserved. It is only one part of the information resource
available to Coronado. Others exist, also. If you prefer a more
structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum
at http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm as an alternate to the discussion
list. Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you
would prefer. See below:
Joining the Announcements Group
The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive
announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums. This
group can be joined voluntarily. You can also remove yourself at any
time.
To join the group:
. Log In to the Forum.
. Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen.
. Under Current Memberships, select Announcements.
. Click View Information.
. On the following screen, click Join Group.
Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator. The moderator
will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive any
announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board
Member.
The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this
proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word
document.
It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the
Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond.
Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net
Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place.
“Collect responsibility…….don’t give it away”
Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members
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