Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review

[ktoneal at cox.net]

Maureen,
     Thank you for your input.  As I thought I had explained before, (perhaps I failed at putting the thoughts in writing), the committee believes this list serv is a unique part of the Coronado neighborhood.  It should not be strictly limited to the announcement of Coronado activities or for obtaining referrals.  While both of these things are allowed and encouraged on this list serv, there are other sources for those who wish to be involved in announcement only type postings.  You can find them by visiting the neighborhood website at gcna.info. The list serv is a place for neighborhood discussions. Not just a discussion about the neighborhood.  This is the reason the committee felt it necessary to include ALL topics.  However, we also felt it necessary to prohibit inflamatory prejudicial topics.  We do not believe this is a format for spreading the hate.  We want everyone to understand that it will not be tolerated by the committee or anyone else paticpating in the conversation at the time.  

I will also try to make our stand on moderation a bit clearer.  We have appointed a moderator.  It is mjfritz, roobin, tjvick, vcampo, Maureen Rooney, etc.  It's quite similar to a block watch, which in many cases proves to be more effective than a single policeman who simply cannot be in all places at all times.  Timing is important on this list serv as many conversations happen in real time.  Appointing the "neighborhood block watch of the list serv" is a practical, sensible solution.   The guidelines will help everyone understand what will be tolerated and what will not.  Private emails will be sent by private individuals.  If someone persists with spreading the hate, we as individuals, can block their emails from our own inbox.  I personally do not need, nor do I want, someone else doing that for me.  Without a voice in the neighborhood, the hate will end. The messages will stop.  I strongly believe the Coronado neighborhood can be trusted with this task.  I strongly believe we should be trusted with this task.

As for the size of the postings, I must defer to the tech wizards.  Perhaps Kevin can explain and add his input.  As for not posting unsubscribe messages, I believe that pertains to asking someone else to unsubscribe.  That is how I understood it, perhaps I am mistaken, though.  I again will defer to others on the committee.

Kt

---- Maureen Rooney <maureenrooney at earthlink.net> wrote: 
> For what it is (or isn't) worth, here are some specific comments on the proposed guidelines: 
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> - "This listserv is open to all topics." Isn't the topic Coronado... the neighborhood... as broad as that may be? (but as opposed to world politics, just as one example) 
> - Message size: 2 mg may be fine with the server, but that's huge if you are dial-up (some people still are. I think that even 1 mg would be a problem for them.) 
> - The heading "moderator" is doublespeak. Sorry. But if there is no moderation in the proposed guidelines, which seems to be the case, then just say it. Unmoderated. 
> - I don't understand the "never post unsubscribe messages to the list" rule that's suggested. How is that "unfair to others" exactly? Why wouldn't we want to know that people are leaving, and why, if they choose to share their reasons? 
> - "We prohibit..." and "Never" show up in several places. Yet as Roobin points out, there is no way to enforce that language. 
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> In general, it seems that the guidelines use a lot of words to say that nothing has changed. If a subscriber doesn't like what's happening, they are free to leave. That hardly seems neighborly--Maureen
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Jo Clute 
> To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
> Sent: 9/29/2006 11:04:26 AM 
> Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review
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> Roobin,
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> What were your specific suggestions?
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> Please share those with us also..
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> Everyone was invited to be on the committee.
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> This proposal incorporated EVERY single suggestion we, the comittee, recieved from everyone who provided input
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> we also sent the proposal out and again asked for futher input. And refined it again.
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> The result is what we have shared with everyone in "public" everything has been disclosed.
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> thank you for your input........?
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: roobin 
> To: Central City Discussion 
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Draft Discussion List Guidlines/subscriber review
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> Observations:
> 1. This proposal is very similar to the existing system.
> 2. The Delete key is still your only control.
> 3. There are no provisions for enforcement.
> 4. Some of the most strident opposition to Moderators were on this guideline committee, and without enforcement self-moderation equals no moderation.
> 5. Those on the listserve any amount of time have seen many numerous posts to "play nice" with one another.  If past requests for self moderation were unsuccessful, why would this one be?
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> R.
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> PS: If the committee is receiving comments on this proposal in private, please share them.
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Wayne Murray 
> To: Gcna-Members 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:02 AM
> Subject: Draft Discussion List Guidelines/subscriber review
> 
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> Draft Proposal from Discussion List Committee for Subscriber review, comment and input.
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> History: Concerns have been raised as to the present discussion list format.  If you are a subscriber you are aware of these concerns.
> Action:  The board of the GCNA appointed a committee to "look into the problems" and recommend "solutions".
> Where we are now:  Attached is a draft of the proposed format of the discussion list. It is open for comment, suggestions, and changes.
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> It is ironic that the committee was made up in part by those who were viewed as being unique to the "problem".  So it has been interesting to discover how and why things occurred, as well as discuss resolution and prevention.  We spent a lot of time selecting from the archive those times when "concern" may have been in order, discovering patterns and coming up with solutions.  We also searched the internet for examples of similar discussion lists and their rules and codes of conduct.  Additionally, we set up an e-mail box whatevercomments at cox.net  to receive comments from individuals.
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> The Discussion List has a unique role to play in the Coronado Neighborhood.  It is an entry point for new residents.  A place for those who can't attend or don't like meetings. A place to see if and 
> how you may want to become more involved.  A place to engage in exciting politics, passionate issues, and information exchange.  We thought it very important that it operate in real time, as that is what most of the threads were all about.  It would be impossible to operate it through delayed postings.  We also thought it very important that subscribers be empowered to moderate the information coming into their own computers,  but at the same time not moderate what someone else may desire to have come into theirs.  We hope that along with giving you that responsibility,  we have provided you with the tools to customize the list to serve to your standards. Safety and caution with regard to personal information, on this list serv, originates and ends with you.  We hope we have given you a guide for that also.
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> When you are reviewing the Discussion List proposal keep in mind what we have preserved.  It is only one part of the information resource available to Coronado. Others exist, also.   If you prefer a more structured format we invite you to rediscover the Discussion Forum at  http://www.gcna.info/forum.htm  as an alternate to the discussion list.  Or you may join the Announcement Group, if that is what you would prefer.  See below:
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> Joining the Announcements Group
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> The announcements group is a usergroup that allows you to receive  announcements in your email from administrators of the Forums.  This group can be joined voluntarily.  You can also remove yourself at any time.    
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> To join the group: 
>  .     Log In to the Forum. 
>  .     Click Usergroups from the menu at the top of the screen. 
>  .     Under Current Memberships, select Announcements. 
>  .     Click View Information. 
>  .     On the following screen, click Join Group. 
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>  Once you have joined, an email will go to a moderator.  The moderator 
>  will approve your membership, and you will then be able to receive any
> announcements that are sent out by the administrator or GCNA Board Member.
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> The Discussion List Committee is looking for your input into this proposed solution. Again the proposal is attached here as a word document.
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> It is our goal to maintain the list serve as a unique part of the Diversity offered to the residents of Coronado and beyond.  
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> Discuss this online or send comments to Whatevercoments at cox.net  
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> Thank you in advance for your interest in making this a better place.  
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> “Collect responsibility

.don’t give it away”
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> Submitted by Discussion List Serve Committee Members
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