Graffitti

[Jo Clute]

unfortuantely when these units change hands the way they do, it is rarely 
updated.  But yes, in theory it is quite simple.  But if an owner is an out 
of state LLC it becomes even more tedious
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ivana Olson" <hazey_marie at hotmail.com>
To: <central-city-discuss at gcna.info>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Graffitti


> It's actually really easy to find out the owners of any property in 
> Maricopa
> County. I could send you the names and contact information. I probably
> shouldn't post them here though, since we don't want anyone getting the
> wrong idea and sending hate mail or anything.
>
> -Ivana
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: thisrocks at mac.com
> Reply-To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
> To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
> Subject: Re: Graffitti
> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:57:08 -0700
>
> yes, I would be interested. And I'll follow up with Wayne in an
> effort to find out who the current owners are. Perhaps they are using
> this apartment complex as a money laundering facility - meaning, they
> are collecting rent at 10% or 20% higher than the asking rent because
> the tenants want to pay cash and do not want any questions asked of
> them. It's a win-win situation for both the tenants and landlord:
> Tenants who are illegal aliens get a place to live and do not fear
> they will be hassled by authorities; Landlord gets to collect more
> money here then funnel it through another business and therefore
> escape the IRS. I've read about this in California and New York. What
> else would be the incentive for the landlord to consistently run the
> property into the ground? Because it pays to do so! This is not out
> of neglect as would be the case of maybe a vacant lot; this is a
> conscious decision.
>
> Ok, keep the information coming.
> - Aaron
>
> On Sep 24, 2006, at 4:43 AM, andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net wrote:
>
> > Aaron,
> >
> > You might want to mention this to Off. Smith. I believe that in the
> > past the
> > City has tried to work with the landlord on improving these
> > properties. If
> > memory serves, the apartment complex to the south was granted money
> > by the city
> > for improvements. After the improvments were made, the property was
> > quickly run
> > down again and sold to another owner and the cycle just continued.
> > I'm not sure
> > about the property to the north. If there is enough crime and
> > blight the city,
> > through the Police Dept, will proceed with the abatement process.
> > Also, if
> > there have been arrests on the property of "victimless" crimes (drug
> > use,prostitition, etc.) then I believe the neighborhood can
> > actually sue the
> > landlord in small claims court for the dertioration in the quality
> > of life in
> > the community. I can't remember the # of the law, but will look it
> > up if you
> > are interested. We've used it in the past and won, but never
> > collected any
> > money. The problem is the title on these properties keeps changing
> > hands, so
> > the process is never completed. Perhaps the city has found a way
> > around that
> > now.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Andrea
> >
> >
> > Quoting thisrocks at mac.com:
> >
> >> I believe that we must first try "optimism" and hope for the best. If
> >> the owners of the run-down apartments do not make serious effort in
> >> upgrading the properties in order to attract a renters at least two
> >> steps up the ladder, then together we will have to put another kind
> >> of pressure on them - something like "get out."
> >>
> >> I'm pretty sure that ASU would do a survey of the area and recognize
> >> that a problem exists with the existing run-down apartments - and
> >> perhaps help pave the way for something better. What do you think
> >> Jody? If ASU does back your project, do you think their support would
> >> be that strong?
> >>
> >> Does anyone know of other instances (in Arizona or elsewhere) where a
> >> university has strong-armed (ok, maybe not the best word) another
> >> property owner to "shapeup or get out?"
> >>
> >> -Aaron
> >>
> >> On Sep 23, 2006, at 8:57 PM, Wayne Murray wrote:
> >>
> >> A comment from the evil landlord.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The owners bought those places almost like new.  They were "allowed"
> >> to be run down.  Anyone smart enough to have sufficient capital to
> >> purchase them is smart enough to figure out how to keep them in good
> >> condition.  If not they should not be in the rental business for
> >> their own sake.  It they are and let them go then they should not be
> >> in the rental business for "our" sake.  Airlines don't let their
> >> planes fall from the sky, restaurants don't poison their customers?
> >> These owners take money each month from the people that live there,
> >> the relationship is satisfying to "both" or it would not exist.
> >> These are individuals who know how to rub two nickels together; they
> >> don't care and are not in the investment for the long term.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> They and their apartments are sick, and when they both cough the
> >> neighborhood gets ill.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I support Jo and her vision and project, however do not envy her if
> >> she thinks these persons can become partners in that vision.....they
> >> don't see it, can't see it, and they never will.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> <image001.jpg>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-
> >> discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of ktoneal at cox.net
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:22 PM
> >> To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
> >> Subject: Re: Graffitti
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jo,
> >>
> >> I just feel the need to point out that instead of condemning the
> >> owners of the apartments you chose instead to talk to them about a
> >> possible solution.  I just think that this type of behavior deserves
> >> applause. So I applaud you!
> >>
> >> Is there anything the rest of us can do to help with the solution?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And Ruth, it is nice to see you back. We appreciate the info.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---- Jo Clute <josepi at doitnow.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ruth,
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> I am going to use your message as a segway if that's ok.  I own
> >> the vacant
> >>
> >>> property smack dab in the middle of those barracks type apts.  The
> >> crime
> >>
> >>> there is rampant and the owners of these properties are durressed
> >> about the
> >>
> >>> situation as well.  I am working on a project to turn this section
> >> of Oak
> >>
> >>> into student/artist housing.
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> But doing so is where the trouble lies.  I have been working on
> >> and off
> >>
> >>> this project for over a year and it has been a lot more difficult
> >> than I had
> >>
> >>> anticipated.
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> HOWEVER,  I met with ASU college of Architecture just  last week
> >> and they
> >>
> >>> are in the process of accepting that section (my property) as one
> >> of their
> >>
> >>> Urban Workshops.  ASU comes with a LOT of PR which would generate
> >> interest
> >>
> >>> in this section and hopefully pull the artists/students into this
> >> section.
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> I have talked with most of the owners and they are willing to do
> >> whatever it
> >>
> >>> takes to convert this section from where it is.  They can't attract
> >>
> >>> different tenants and it seems to be an endless cycle.  Most of
> >> the crime in
> >>
> >>> Coronado streams from this section to the rest of the neighborhood
> >> via Oak,
> >>
> >>> especially when they head towards the Sunshine Market.
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> Anyway I think the grafitti in this area is indicative of a much
> >> greater
> >>
> >>> problem that needs to be handled at its core level.
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> Until then, I keep a can of Kilz and spare exterior paint for when
> >> the alley
> >>
> >>> side of my house gets tagged as it seems to happen seasonably.
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> Welcome back to the list, we've been wondering where you've been :-)
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> Jody
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >>> From: "Ruth & Rusty Rapp" <paris4545 at cox.net>
> >>
> >>> To: <central-city-discuss at gcna.info>
> >>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:51 PM
> >>
> >>> Subject: Re: Graffitti
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>>> There has also been a lot of graffitti lately near those ghetto
> >> apartments
> >>
> >>>> at 15th St. and Oak (SE corner). There are even a couple of
> >> "blank" signs
> >>
> >>>> on
> >>
> >>>> the property itself that are covered in it. I have reported this to
> >>
> >>>> Graffitti Busters a couple of times...they've painted over the
> >> crap, but
> >>
> >>>> it
> >>
> >>>> soon reappears, of course. How easy for the tenants, they just
> >> have to
> >>
> >>>> step
> >>
> >>>> right outside their doors, spray paint can in hand!
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> I personally would have liked to see those apartments TORN DOWN.
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> Ruth
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
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