Graffitti
Wayne Murray
wayne at xnar.com
Sun Sep 24 21:10:37 PDT 2006
It is a different approach. My approaches and methods failed to solve the
problem long term. Would be safe to say that they would fail again. So that
leaves me open and supportive on someone with a new approach.
My experience in Traffic mitigation has showed me that "this is the way it
is done" is not always the answer. Jo......put your "demonstration project"
in and call the press.....make the change.
W
PS there are a lot of apartments north of Oak and East of 16th, that a well
constructed and very close to the downtown campus. There is not that much
affordable housing in the gentrified neighborhoods. It would be a great
student area.....once the ball got rolling.
-----Original Message-----
From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info
[mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of Jo Clute
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 8:35 PM
To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
Subject: Re: Graffitti
sue them?!!!! Andrea, how bout you just go and talk with them? They all
want change, I HAVE talked with them (most of them). But they also don't
want to run a
losing business. there are factors at work in this location that we may be
unaware of. the WHOLE section needs to change not just one of those places.
EVERYTHING needs to change-the entire culture. Its going to take work. We
tried neighborhood services. We tried calling the police. We tried
rehabbing the places. But if you just do a little here and there its NOT
going to stick. I have been working on a solution for over a year. I KNOW
there is a way and suing them isn't going to change anything. Its just
going to make it more difficult on all of us. If we take the effort that we
would have to FIGHT them and use it to talk with them and help them, we can
can alter this area permanently. My solution is to get ASU in there to help
me build something marvelous. This will make this area "popular" and in
turn attract a different clientelle. The owner on the North Side already
said he would give artsits/students free rent. But if I was a student, you
couldn't pay me enough to live there in preset day conditions The owners
want this changed too.
Why do we always have to fight our neighbor when there is a problem, I
don't get that attitude. It mistifys me. That is contra-neighborhood in my
opinion. I stopped myself from building those same things. I could have
already done it and contributed to the problem. But I didn't. And now I
have positive solutions which are possible but heading straight to a public
hearing to condemn your neighbor or straight to the courts to condemn your
neighbor with out using diplomacy first to find a win/win solution is just
rediculous politics. I don't know if my solution will be implemented but
its in their hands and they are writing a proposal as we speak.
I really do envision a colorful, landscaped, pet friendly area full of
artistic culture that we can all enjoy. Most of those buildings are sound
brick structures and can be beautified with paint and people. Its going to
take a lot of work and I have taken a lot of approaches and one of them is
eventually going to work. But the bottom line is that those investors do
not want this anymore than we do.
These owners are not making money (the owner on the North Maybe) they
barely break even. Everytime a tenant leaves so does the carpet, the
appliances, and most of the windows, Sometimes this is more profitable then
having them sit vacant. Also, I know a few of the owners tried to sell
their buildings and couldn't because of how messed up they are. A few of
the owners are very "green" and didn't know what they got themselves into
it. Some are out of state. How do I know all of this? Because last year,
I spent 10 hours searching for each and every owner, calling them, leaving
messages, and finally getting a hold of them. There are some complexities
that we don't have a handle on. But either way, it needs to change.
Suing is NOT the answer. Calling the police over and over might make little
changes but the minute someone lets up it will happen right over again. I
have even been cited for them parking on my lot...This area is a big problem
and its going to take a big solution.
ASU will be excited to hear that everyone will back their efforts. I hope
this is the case
J
----- Original Message -----
From: <andrea.delgaldo at highstream.net>
To: <central-city-discuss at gcna.info>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: Graffitti
> Aaron,
>
> You might want to mention this to Off. Smith. I believe that in the past
> the
> City has tried to work with the landlord on improving these properties. If
> memory serves, the apartment complex to the south was granted money by the
> city
> for improvements. After the improvments were made, the property was
> quickly run
> down again and sold to another owner and the cycle just continued. I'm not
> sure
> about the property to the north. If there is enough crime and blight the
> city,
> through the Police Dept, will proceed with the abatement process. Also, if
> there have been arrests on the property of "victimless" crimes (drug
> use,prostitition, etc.) then I believe the neighborhood can actually sue
> the
> landlord in small claims court for the dertioration in the quality of life
> in
> the community. I can't remember the # of the law, but will look it up if
> you
> are interested. We've used it in the past and won, but never collected any
> money. The problem is the title on these properties keeps changing hands,
> so
> the process is never completed. Perhaps the city has found a way around
> that
> now.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Andrea
>
>
> Quoting thisrocks at mac.com:
>
>> I believe that we must first try "optimism" and hope for the best. If
>> the owners of the run-down apartments do not make serious effort in
>> upgrading the properties in order to attract a renters at least two
>> steps up the ladder, then together we will have to put another kind
>> of pressure on them - something like "get out."
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that ASU would do a survey of the area and recognize
>> that a problem exists with the existing run-down apartments - and
>> perhaps help pave the way for something better. What do you think
>> Jody? If ASU does back your project, do you think their support would
>> be that strong?
>>
>> Does anyone know of other instances (in Arizona or elsewhere) where a
>> university has strong-armed (ok, maybe not the best word) another
>> property owner to "shapeup or get out?"
>>
>> -Aaron
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2006, at 8:57 PM, Wayne Murray wrote:
>>
>> A comment from the evil landlord.
>>
>>
>>
>> The owners bought those places almost like new. They were "allowed"
>> to be run down. Anyone smart enough to have sufficient capital to
>> purchase them is smart enough to figure out how to keep them in good
>> condition. If not they should not be in the rental business for
>> their own sake. It they are and let them go then they should not be
>> in the rental business for "our" sake. Airlines don't let their
>> planes fall from the sky, restaurants don't poison their customers?
>> These owners take money each month from the people that live there,
>> the relationship is satisfying to "both" or it would not exist.
>> These are individuals who know how to rub two nickels together; they
>> don't care and are not in the investment for the long term.
>>
>>
>>
>> They and their apartments are sick, and when they both cough the
>> neighborhood gets ill.
>>
>>
>>
>> I support Jo and her vision and project, however do not envy her if
>> she thinks these persons can become partners in that vision.....they
>> don't see it, can't see it, and they never will.
>>
>>
>>
>> <image001.jpg>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-
>> discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of ktoneal at cox.net
>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:22 PM
>> To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
>> Subject: Re: Graffitti
>>
>>
>>
>> Jo,
>>
>> I just feel the need to point out that instead of condemning the
>> owners of the apartments you chose instead to talk to them about a
>> possible solution. I just think that this type of behavior deserves
>> applause. So I applaud you!
>>
>> Is there anything the rest of us can do to help with the solution?
>>
>>
>>
>> And Ruth, it is nice to see you back. We appreciate the info.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---- Jo Clute <josepi at doitnow.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Ruth,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I am going to use your message as a segway if that's ok. I own
>> the vacant
>>
>> > property smack dab in the middle of those barracks type apts. The
>> crime
>>
>> > there is rampant and the owners of these properties are durressed
>> about the
>>
>> > situation as well. I am working on a project to turn this section
>> of Oak
>>
>> > into student/artist housing.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > But doing so is where the trouble lies. I have been working on
>> and off
>>
>> > this project for over a year and it has been a lot more difficult
>> than I had
>>
>> > anticipated.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > HOWEVER, I met with ASU college of Architecture just last week
>> and they
>>
>> > are in the process of accepting that section (my property) as one
>> of their
>>
>> > Urban Workshops. ASU comes with a LOT of PR which would generate
>> interest
>>
>> > in this section and hopefully pull the artists/students into this
>> section.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I have talked with most of the owners and they are willing to do
>> whatever it
>>
>> > takes to convert this section from where it is. They can't attract
>>
>> > different tenants and it seems to be an endless cycle. Most of
>> the crime in
>>
>> > Coronado streams from this section to the rest of the neighborhood
>> via Oak,
>>
>> > especially when they head towards the Sunshine Market.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Anyway I think the grafitti in this area is indicative of a much
>> greater
>>
>> > problem that needs to be handled at its core level.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Until then, I keep a can of Kilz and spare exterior paint for when
>> the alley
>>
>> > side of my house gets tagged as it seems to happen seasonably.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Welcome back to the list, we've been wondering where you've been :-)
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Jody
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> > From: "Ruth & Rusty Rapp" <paris4545 at cox.net>
>>
>> > To: <central-city-discuss at gcna.info>
>>
>> > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:51 PM
>>
>> > Subject: Re: Graffitti
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > > There has also been a lot of graffitti lately near those ghetto
>> apartments
>>
>> > > at 15th St. and Oak (SE corner). There are even a couple of
>> "blank" signs
>>
>> > > on
>>
>> > > the property itself that are covered in it. I have reported this to
>>
>> > > Graffitti Busters a couple of times...they've painted over the
>> crap, but
>>
>> > > it
>>
>> > > soon reappears, of course. How easy for the tenants, they just
>> have to
>>
>> > > step
>>
>> > > right outside their doors, spray paint can in hand!
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > I personally would have liked to see those apartments TORN DOWN.
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Ruth
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > >
>>
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