Graffitti
Jo Clute
josepi at doitnow.com
Sun Sep 24 20:35:34 PDT 2006
Aaron, I would love to give you all details of this in person. there is too much to tell through my investigation to do it over this list.
We'll talk in private :-)
Jody
----- Original Message -----
From: thisrocks at mac.com
To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Graffitti
My partner and I think that the apartment owners basically need to spend money in order to attract better renters, right?
- Install security cameras
- Construct lamp posts
- Fix up the apartments and start charging more per month
- Require proof of US citizenship
- Implement a mandatory high dollar amount security deposit.
I'm sure we could all think of at least 5 ways to attract better renters. It's not that hard to think up, but definitely harder to implement, especially when an owner is already making money without doing anything.
Perhaps there needs to be more pressure from the community to get their places shaped up. Can we get their addresses and start writing them letters? I'd like to invite to our neighborhood meetings!
- Aaron
On Sep 23, 2006, at 11:41 PM, thisrocks at mac.com wrote:
I believe that we must first try "optimism" and hope for the best. If the owners of the run-down apartments do not make serious effort in upgrading the properties in order to attract a renters at least two steps up the ladder, then together we will have to put another kind of pressure on them - something like "get out."
I'm pretty sure that ASU would do a survey of the area and recognize that a problem exists with the existing run-down apartments - and perhaps help pave the way for something better. What do you think Jody? If ASU does back your project, do you think their support would be that strong?
Does anyone know of other instances (in Arizona or elsewhere) where a university has strong-armed (ok, maybe not the best word) another property owner to "shapeup or get out?"
-Aaron
On Sep 23, 2006, at 8:57 PM, Wayne Murray wrote:
A comment from the evil landlord.
The owners bought those places almost like new. They were "allowed" to be run down. Anyone smart enough to have sufficient capital to purchase them is smart enough to figure out how to keep them in good condition. If not they should not be in the rental business for their own sake. It they are and let them go then they should not be in the rental business for "our" sake. Airlines don't let their planes fall from the sky, restaurants don't poison their customers? These owners take money each month from the people that live there, the relationship is satisfying to "both" or it would not exist. These are individuals who know how to rub two nickels together; they don't care and are not in the investment for the long term.
They and their apartments are sick, and when they both cough the neighborhood gets ill.
I support Jo and her vision and project, however do not envy her if she thinks these persons can become partners in that vision.....they don't see it, can't see it, and they never will.
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From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info [mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of ktoneal at cox.net
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:22 PM
To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
Subject: Re: Graffitti
Jo,
I just feel the need to point out that instead of condemning the owners of the apartments you chose instead to talk to them about a possible solution. I just think that this type of behavior deserves applause. So I applaud you!
Is there anything the rest of us can do to help with the solution?
And Ruth, it is nice to see you back. We appreciate the info.
---- Jo Clute <josepi at doitnow.com> wrote:
> Ruth,
>
> I am going to use your message as a segway if that's ok. I own the vacant
> property smack dab in the middle of those barracks type apts. The crime
> there is rampant and the owners of these properties are durressed about the
> situation as well. I am working on a project to turn this section of Oak
> into student/artist housing.
>
> But doing so is where the trouble lies. I have been working on and off
> this project for over a year and it has been a lot more difficult than I had
> anticipated.
>
> HOWEVER, I met with ASU college of Architecture just last week and they
> are in the process of accepting that section (my property) as one of their
> Urban Workshops. ASU comes with a LOT of PR which would generate interest
> in this section and hopefully pull the artists/students into this section.
>
> I have talked with most of the owners and they are willing to do whatever it
> takes to convert this section from where it is. They can't attract
> different tenants and it seems to be an endless cycle. Most of the crime in
> Coronado streams from this section to the rest of the neighborhood via Oak,
> especially when they head towards the Sunshine Market.
>
> Anyway I think the grafitti in this area is indicative of a much greater
> problem that needs to be handled at its core level.
>
> Until then, I keep a can of Kilz and spare exterior paint for when the alley
> side of my house gets tagged as it seems to happen seasonably.
>
> Welcome back to the list, we've been wondering where you've been :-)
>
> Jody
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ruth & Rusty Rapp" <paris4545 at cox.net>
> To: <central-city-discuss at gcna.info>
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Graffitti
>
>
> > There has also been a lot of graffitti lately near those ghetto apartments
> > at 15th St. and Oak (SE corner). There are even a couple of "blank" signs
> > on
> > the property itself that are covered in it. I have reported this to
> > Graffitti Busters a couple of times...they've painted over the crap, but
> > it
> > soon reappears, of course. How easy for the tenants, they just have to
> > step
> > right outside their doors, spray paint can in hand!
> >
> > I personally would have liked to see those apartments TORN DOWN.
> >
> > Ruth
> >
> >
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