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[Wayne Murray]

Tyler quotes:   "And just to make sure he did the job right, our traffic
hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about this Hispanic woman's
national origin just for good measure."

 

Perhaps you would like to put those remarks that you heard in quotation
marks? Both Jerome, department head of NSD, and the shredded women from the
city do not seem to be able to find those remarks.

 

Upon farther investigation those may have been tears of joy, as she was able
to get you to publish on the list serve what you just did.  I asked you not
to take that meeting out on the contextual two years of Traffic mitigation
with the city and its players, not knowing what context it was in.  I even
asked that you meet with me and others to discuss it in an attempt to place
you into a contextual framework.

 

No it was not entertaining for any of us.  The personal power plays of those
involved at the expense of my character and status with the city is the
reason for my resignation from the position of that kind of vulnerability.

 

I will await my alleged quote, if not it will at least be "very clear" as to
my resignation.  I believe the e-mail from Mr. Miller indicates his
understanding and disappointment rather than an indication he does not want
anything to deal with me.

 

I regret that you brought this up in the discussion list for correction.  

 

When put in that position, I agree just my level headed statements of truth
appear to shred. No more or less was done at the meeting with the women from
the City. 

 

W

 

 

 

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From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info
[mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of GCNA President
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 1:56 AM
To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
Subject: list serve

 

OK, everybody.  If you and the rest of the neighborhood really believe that
this community is going to be made a better place by a stream of ugly
e-mails, with Brian calling Michelle a "bitch," Michelle whining about
name-calling while calling people names, and Clute randomly threatening and
screaming at everyone - and all of them feeling perfectly free to pour their
ugliness and hatred into all of their neighbor's lives, then yes, I guess
I'm out of line.

 

Here we have Michelle and Clute screaming about a supposed violation of
their "rights" in a democratically elected organization, and Clute claiming
to be a "constituent" of all things, and neither of them can even be
bothered to become members.

 

I didn't volunteer for this position because I had nothing better to do.  I
volunteered because for some reason I thought the majority of people in this
neighborhood were genuinely interested in doing something good to make this
a better place for all of us, and I was willing to help make that happen.
Instead, I spend my time dealing with people like you, who contribute
nothing but spite and malice.

 

The highlights of my term so far:

*       Remember when our former president stood up at her last meeting to
let us know that we were in good standing with the IRS?  I asked her about
it later and she claimed it didn't occur to her to keep copies of the
records.  Well, according to the IRS, we lost our non-profit 501(c)(3)
status over two years ago.  So, I guess it turns out she was lying through
her teeth.  But, hey, she did it with a smile.

*       So, mjfritz, you agree with Wayne on this being more entertaining
than TV?  Well, if you really wanted to be entertained, you should have
watched Wayne verbally and emotionally SHRED a woman from the City of
Phoenix with whom we were meeting about traffic issues.  I've never seen
such concentrated verbal abuse in my life.  And just to make sure he did the
job right, our traffic hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about
this Hispanic woman's national origin just for good measure.  And it worked:
she left there in tears.  That, my friend, was real entertainment!  Might
also explain why he resigned from the Traffic Committee. Yes, that's right:
no one at the City wants anything to do with him, and for damn good reason.

*       And last but not least the list-serve.  A tool for neighborly
communication that fritz and Ivana and ktoneal and Brian and Michelle and
Clute think is just nifty for sharing so much venom.  Ktoneal is even going
to the trouble of parsing the disclaimer to build her case on why vicious
e-mails are good.  You all know ktoneal: she's the one who sends notes
asking us to send e-mails to the troops overseas. Tell me Katy, do we have
the right to send such venomous notes to our troops, or should we just
reserve the viciousness for our immediate neighbors?  Or has it never
occurred to you that if all those people over in Iraq and elsewhere would
stop their self-righteous viciousness and begin treating their neighbors
with courtesy and kindness and respect, our troops and others wouldn't be
getting killed over there right now?  That sectarian violence didn't start
with car bombs: it started long ago with the same intolerance and hatred
that you're so eager to defend right here.  

 

As Damon said, I moved here because it was a nice old neighborhood where you
could get to know your neighbors.  I have great neighbors right here around
me, and I don't need your kind of ugliness in my life.  Apparently you all
do.  I suggest you run for the office.

 

You win. I quit.  I am assuming the vice-president, Don Mertes will take
over, at least temporarily.  You can reach him at vicepresident at gcna.info.

 

Not a single person was ever removed from this list by me or anyone else,
simply flagged for moderation. All the moderation flags have now been
removed.  Enjoy ripping each other to shreds.  

 

 

From: mjfritz [mailto:mjfritz at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:51 PM
To: Central City
Subject: GCNA Showdown

 

Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught
up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama.

I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!!

 

With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are
so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. 

This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never
accomplish anything. 

 

I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut
off from the listserve. 

Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share
Michelle's final thoughts with the group.

I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought
out. 

 

Peace Ya'll!!

 

Michelle Steinberg wrote:

 

"I have to agree with Jo.  I cannot stand by and allow one person to make
the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and
governance.  You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide
whose posting you do not like and then censor them.  

And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do
you pay for it.  It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the
organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules,
you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge
and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on
their listserve.

I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and
for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to
"protect" people from themselves.  We are more than capable of deciding what
we should or should not read.  And whether you like it or not, rude,
uncivilized ranting is still free speech."

 

**********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT,
I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST
SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************

 

 

 

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