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Michelle Steinberg malka16 at cox.net
Sat Aug 26 09:18:09 PDT 2006 

does this mean I am back in Tyler's good graces?


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michelle Steinberg" <malka16 at cox.net>
To: <central-city-discuss at gcna.info>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Discussion List


>I have to agree with Jo.  I cannot stand by and allow one person to make 
>the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and 
>governance.  You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide 
>whose posting you do not like and then censor them.
>
> And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor 
> do you pay for it.  It is a group effort that belongs to the members of 
> the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's 
> Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as 
> judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to 
> read on their listserve.
>
> I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision 
> and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort 
> to "protect" people from themselves.  We are more than capable of deciding 
> what we should or should not read.  And whether you like it or not, rude, 
> uncivilized ranting is still free speech.
>
>
>
>
> ---- Jo Clute <josepi at doitnow.com> wrote:
>> Tyler, I think what you are doing is reckless and self serving and 
>> unbecoming of your position. And If I stay angry enough at this, I will 
>> hire an attorney, or better yet have 15 neighbors show up and have you 
>> voted to be removed from the Board--of course--They  will have paid the 
>> $5 for at least 30 days- I read the by laws
>>
>> Ooops, now I'm gone too..because I don't like the GCNA president
>>
>> The guy was simply telling us he has lots and lots of guns...I don't like 
>> his views but your views are worse. Who do you think you are?  So, some 
>> neighbors are upset, I wasn't. and just because I didn't email you 
>> doesn't mean there aren't others out there like me.  I think your emails 
>> should be censured!!!
>>
>> I hope to Gawd, other people see the petty barnyard politics in this 
>> besides me
>>
>> Clute.
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: GCNA President
>>   To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
>>   Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:24 PM
>>   Subject: Discussion List
>>
>>
>>   Howdy all:
>>
>>   First, let me apologize for your having been subjected to the recent 
>> unpleasant exchanges on the list serve.  I know from the private e-mails 
>> I received how offended many of you were, and I am sorry to learn that 
>> once again we have neighbors who are dropping their subscriptions to the 
>> list serve because of the unacceptable behavior of a few unpleasant 
>> people.
>>
>>
>>
>>   As the Board indicated in the e-mail we sent out in June (copied 
>> below), it has been our hope that we could rely on neighbors to conduct 
>> themselves in a civil manner.  While most have, a few people are unable 
>> to grasp that this list serve is provided and paid for by GCNA as a forum 
>> for the neighborly exchange of information only.  Nobody -- absolutely 
>> nobody -- has any right to use this exchange for anything else.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Before I hear any howls about "freedom of speech" from those involved, 
>> let me just remind them that there is nothing in your freedom to speak 
>> your mind that obligates Greater Coronado to pay for it.  Anyone who 
>> wants a forum for rude, uncivilized ranting at each other is more than 
>> welcome to shell out the bucks to set up one for themselves.
>>
>>
>>
>>   For everybody else, please know that we have instituted full 
>> "moderation" for those responsible for the recent exchanges; their 
>> e-mails will be screened before being released to the list, as time 
>> permits.
>>
>>
>>
>>   I hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Thanks much,
>>
>>   Tyler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>   From: GCNA President [mailto:president at gcna.info]
>>   Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:21 PM
>>   To: GCNA discussion
>>   Subject: Discussion List Ideas
>>
>>
>>
>>   To the Members of the Greater Coronado Discussion List:
>>
>>
>>
>>   As we start a new term of officers at the Greater Coronado Neighborhood 
>> Association, the new Board would like to take a moment to say thank you 
>> to all the neighbors who participate in this, our Coronado discussion 
>> list.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Over the years that GCNA has provided this list, all of you have 
>> contributed to making this a terrific place for neighbors to exchange 
>> information and ideas that help make this a better neighborhood for all 
>> of us.
>>
>>
>>
>>   In that spirit of building a stronger neighborhood and better 
>> relationships among neighbors, the GCNA Board also decided that we would 
>> like to address some of the concerns that have been raised about the 
>> discussion list.  As we all know, there are times when the e-mails on the 
>> discussion list have turned into virtual shouting matches.  There are 
>> times when some of us have insulted our neighbors on the list and used 
>> inappropriate language.  There are times when we've been just plain mean 
>> to each other.
>>
>>
>>
>>   In response, some have said, "if you don't like an e-mail, just delete 
>> it."  The problem with that approach is that while some of us will delete 
>> unpleasant messages, many many others have simply cancelled their 
>> subscriptions to the list serve altogether.  Many long-time participants 
>> have dropped out; many who are new to the neighborhood and the list are 
>> so appalled that they drop off the list serve and out of participation in 
>> GCNA as a whole.
>>
>>
>>
>>   We're grateful to the current and former members of GCNA - especially 
>> Kevin, our volunteer webmaster - whose dedication and volunteer efforts 
>> resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater 
>> Coronado neighborhood.  Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific 
>> tool for communication between neighbors would not exist.  We would like 
>> to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as 
>> possible.
>>
>>
>>
>>   To that end, we ask that you please keep in mind a few simple ideas as 
>> you participate in the list serve:
>>
>>   -- Please keep your tone and language neighborly and friendly; 
>> remember, you're talking to friends and neighbors;
>>
>>   -- If you have a disagreement with someone, please e-mail them 
>> privately rather than sending to the entire list;
>>
>>   -- Please refrain from conducting political campaigning or business 
>> transactions on this list.  We encourage you to let your neighbors know 
>> about your activities and your business events and announcements by using 
>> this list, but please deal with the subsequent details via private 
>> e-mails;
>>
>>   -- Please change your e-mail "subject" line if you change the subject 
>> of an e-mail exchange;
>>
>>   -- Please be cautious about sending large attachments that might "clog" 
>> someone else's computer;
>>
>>   -- Above all, remember that the purpose of this list is to help foster 
>> a sense of community in a large neighborhood with people of many 
>> differing backgrounds, convictions, and sensibilities.  Let's all respect 
>> each other in our conversations.
>>
>>
>>
>>   The Board sincerely believes that it is possible for this list serve to 
>> be conducted in a common-sense and respectful manner, adhering to the 
>> purpose for which the list was created, and without the need to set up a 
>> monitoring system.  We appreciate all your help in making this so.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Thanks very much,
>>
>>
>>
>>   Your GCNA Board
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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