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[ktoneal at cox.net]

Tyler,

Let me be the first to accept your resignation.  Don Mertes would make an excellent President.  With no offense to anyone else in Coronado, I believe that Don Mertes is THE nicest, kindest, most neighborly person I have had the pleasure to correspond with so far in the Greater Coronado Neighborhood, or any neighborhood for that matter. 

I take exception to one comment you so boldly printed about me. I have NEVER, EVER been remotely unkind or venemous to anyone on this list except for one comment I made about you. I joked several months ago about you being a dictator. I immediately apologized.  I suppose I may have been quicker than most to realize the power trip you were on.  As for our troops, please feel free to write whatever you feel you must to them, after all that IS what they are dying for.  The violence in Iraq is largely due to the muting of the people's voices. (SOAPBOX) Here in this peaceful nation of ours we are allowed the opportunity to argue, be rude, spread vicious e-mails if we so choose and we are all the better for it. (STEP DOWN FROM SOAPBOX). I hope someday you will realize that.

Kt 




---- GCNA President <president at gcna.info> wrote: 
> OK, everybody.  If you and the rest of the neighborhood really believe that
> this community is going to be made a better place by a stream of ugly
> e-mails, with Brian calling Michelle a "bitch," Michelle whining about
> name-calling while calling people names, and Clute randomly threatening and
> screaming at everyone - and all of them feeling perfectly free to pour their
> ugliness and hatred into all of their neighbor's lives, then yes, I guess
> I'm out of line.
> 
>  
> 
> Here we have Michelle and Clute screaming about a supposed violation of
> their "rights" in a democratically elected organization, and Clute claiming
> to be a "constituent" of all things, and neither of them can even be
> bothered to become members.
> 
>  
> 
> I didn't volunteer for this position because I had nothing better to do.  I
> volunteered because for some reason I thought the majority of people in this
> neighborhood were genuinely interested in doing something good to make this
> a better place for all of us, and I was willing to help make that happen.
> Instead, I spend my time dealing with people like you, who contribute
> nothing but spite and malice.
> 
>  
> 
> The highlights of my term so far:
> 
> *       Remember when our former president stood up at her last meeting to
> let us know that we were in good standing with the IRS?  I asked her about
> it later and she claimed it didn't occur to her to keep copies of the
> records.  Well, according to the IRS, we lost our non-profit 501(c)(3)
> status over two years ago.  So, I guess it turns out she was lying through
> her teeth.  But, hey, she did it with a smile.
> 
> *       So, mjfritz, you agree with Wayne on this being more entertaining
> than TV?  Well, if you really wanted to be entertained, you should have
> watched Wayne verbally and emotionally SHRED a woman from the City of
> Phoenix with whom we were meeting about traffic issues.  I've never seen
> such concentrated verbal abuse in my life.  And just to make sure he did the
> job right, our traffic hero shot in a couple of well-aimed remarks about
> this Hispanic woman's national origin just for good measure.  And it worked:
> she left there in tears.  That, my friend, was real entertainment!  Might
> also explain why he resigned from the Traffic Committee. Yes, that's right:
> no one at the City wants anything to do with him, and for damn good reason.
> 
> *       And last but not least the list-serve.  A tool for neighborly
> communication that fritz and Ivana and ktoneal and Brian and Michelle and
> Clute think is just nifty for sharing so much venom.  Ktoneal is even going
> to the trouble of parsing the disclaimer to build her case on why vicious
> e-mails are good.  You all know ktoneal: she's the one who sends notes
> asking us to send e-mails to the troops overseas. Tell me Katy, do we have
> the right to send such venomous notes to our troops, or should we just
> reserve the viciousness for our immediate neighbors?  Or has it never
> occurred to you that if all those people over in Iraq and elsewhere would
> stop their self-righteous viciousness and begin treating their neighbors
> with courtesy and kindness and respect, our troops and others wouldn't be
> getting killed over there right now?  That sectarian violence didn't start
> with car bombs: it started long ago with the same intolerance and hatred
> that you're so eager to defend right here.  
> 
>  
> 
> As Damon said, I moved here because it was a nice old neighborhood where you
> could get to know your neighbors.  I have great neighbors right here around
> me, and I don't need your kind of ugliness in my life.  Apparently you all
> do.  I suggest you run for the office.
> 
>  
> 
> You win. I quit.  I am assuming the vice-president, Don Mertes will take
> over, at least temporarily.  You can reach him at vicepresident at gcna.info.
> 
>  
> 
> Not a single person was ever removed from this list by me or anyone else,
> simply flagged for moderation. All the moderation flags have now been
> removed.  Enjoy ripping each other to shreds.  
> 
>  
> 
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> 
> From: mjfritz [mailto:mjfritz at cox.net] 
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:51 PM
> To: Central City
> Subject: GCNA Showdown
> 
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> 
> Howdy neighbors!! I'm just getting home from work and trying to get caught
> up on our latest Friday GCNA Drama.
> 
> I'm with Wayne on this one....beats the hell out of TV!!
> 
>  
> 
> With all due respect Tyler, as I've stated many times in the past, there are
> so many bigger issues in our little community other than this email. 
> 
> This community needs to act as "one". The division of neighbors will never
> accomplish anything. 
> 
>  
> 
> I have Michelle's last transmission she attempted to send before she was cut
> off from the listserve. 
> 
> Jo, Brian & Michelle have all been removed and I have been asked to share
> Michelle's final thoughts with the group.
> 
> I hope this agressive decision to remove them can be a little more thought
> out. 
> 
>  
> 
> Peace Ya'll!!
> 
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> Michelle Steinberg wrote:
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> 
> "I have to agree with Jo.  I cannot stand by and allow one person to make
> the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and
> governance.  You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide
> whose posting you do not like and then censor them.  
> 
> And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do
> you pay for it.  It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the
> organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules,
> you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge
> and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on
> their listserve.
> 
> I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and
> for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to
> "protect" people from themselves.  We are more than capable of deciding what
> we should or should not read.  And whether you like it or not, rude,
> uncivilized ranting is still free speech."
> 
>  
> 
> **********IF MICHELLE AND BRIAN ARE NOT ADDED BACK TO THIS LIST BY DAYS OUT,
> I WANT THE CONTACT INFORMATION TO GCNA'S LEGAL COUNSEL EMAILED TO THE LIST
> SERVE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!************
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