Discussion List

Fri Aug 25 16:33:47 PDT 2006

I have to agree with Jo.  I cannot stand by and allow one person to make the decisions for a group with democratically elected leadership and governance.  You really do not have the authority to unilaterally decide whose posting you do not like and then censor them.  

And furthermore, let me remind you that you do not own the listserve nor do you pay for it.  It is a group effort that belongs to the members of the organization, paid for by the members and if you read your Robert's Rules, you will learn what the President's role is and it is not to act as judge and jury deciding what the rest of the members will be allowed to read on their listserve.

I realize that I am one of the ones who has brought you to this decision and for that I am sorry, but please do not abuse your office in an effort to "protect" people from themselves.  We are more than capable of deciding what we should or should not read.  And whether you like it or not, rude, uncivilized ranting is still free speech.

---- Jo Clute <josepi at doitnow.com> wrote: 
> Tyler, I think what you are doing is reckless and self serving and unbecoming of your position. And If I stay angry enough at this, I will hire an attorney, or better yet have 15 neighbors show up and have you voted to be removed from the Board--of course--They  will have paid the $5 for at least 30 days- I read the by laws
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> Ooops, now I'm gone too..because I don't like the GCNA president 
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> The guy was simply telling us he has lots and lots of guns...I don't like his views but your views are worse. Who do you think you are?  So, some neighbors are upset, I wasn't. and just because I didn't email you doesn't mean there aren't others out there like me.  I think your emails should be censured!!!
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> I hope to Gawd, other people see the petty barnyard politics in this besides me
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> Clute. 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: GCNA President 
>   To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info 
>   Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:24 PM
>   Subject: Discussion List 
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>   Howdy all:
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>   First, let me apologize for your having been subjected to the recent unpleasant exchanges on the list serve.  I know from the private e-mails I received how offended many of you were, and I am sorry to learn that once again we have neighbors who are dropping their subscriptions to the list serve because of the unacceptable behavior of a few unpleasant people.  
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>   As the Board indicated in the e-mail we sent out in June (copied below), it has been our hope that we could rely on neighbors to conduct themselves in a civil manner.  While most have, a few people are unable to grasp that this list serve is provided and paid for by GCNA as a forum for the neighborly exchange of information only.  Nobody -- absolutely nobody -- has any right to use this exchange for anything else.  
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>   Before I hear any howls about "freedom of speech" from those involved, let me just remind them that there is nothing in your freedom to speak your mind that obligates Greater Coronado to pay for it.  Anyone who wants a forum for rude, uncivilized ranting at each other is more than welcome to shell out the bucks to set up one for themselves.  
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>   For everybody else, please know that we have instituted full "moderation" for those responsible for the recent exchanges; their e-mails will be screened before being released to the list, as time permits.
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>   I hope this helps.
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>   Thanks much,
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>   Tyler
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>   From: GCNA President [mailto:president at gcna.info] 
>   Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:21 PM
>   To: GCNA discussion
>   Subject: Discussion List Ideas
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>   To the Members of the Greater Coronado Discussion List:
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>   As we start a new term of officers at the Greater Coronado Neighborhood Association, the new Board would like to take a moment to say thank you to all the neighbors who participate in this, our Coronado discussion list.  
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>   Over the years that GCNA has provided this list, all of you have contributed to making this a terrific place for neighbors to exchange information and ideas that help make this a better neighborhood for all of us.  
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>   In that spirit of building a stronger neighborhood and better relationships among neighbors, the GCNA Board also decided that we would like to address some of the concerns that have been raised about the discussion list.  As we all know, there are times when the e-mails on the discussion list have turned into virtual shouting matches.  There are times when some of us have insulted our neighbors on the list and used inappropriate language.  There are times when we've been just plain mean to each other.  
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>   In response, some have said, "if you don't like an e-mail, just delete it."  The problem with that approach is that while some of us will delete unpleasant messages, many many others have simply cancelled their subscriptions to the list serve altogether.  Many long-time participants have dropped out; many who are new to the neighborhood and the list are so appalled that they drop off the list serve and out of participation in GCNA as a whole.
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>   We're grateful to the current and former members of GCNA - especially Kevin, our volunteer webmaster - whose dedication and volunteer efforts resulted in this list serve being provided free of charge to the Greater Coronado neighborhood.  Without GCNA funds and volunteers, this terrific tool for communication between neighbors would not exist.  We would like to preserve it as a means of communication with as many participants as possible.  
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>   To that end, we ask that you please keep in mind a few simple ideas as you participate in the list serve:
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>   -- Please keep your tone and language neighborly and friendly; remember, you're talking to friends and neighbors;
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>   -- If you have a disagreement with someone, please e-mail them privately rather than sending to the entire list;
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>   -- Please refrain from conducting political campaigning or business transactions on this list.  We encourage you to let your neighbors know about your activities and your business events and announcements by using this list, but please deal with the subsequent details via private e-mails;
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>   -- Please change your e-mail "subject" line if you change the subject of an e-mail exchange;
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>   -- Please be cautious about sending large attachments that might "clog" someone else's computer;
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>   -- Above all, remember that the purpose of this list is to help foster a sense of community in a large neighborhood with people of many differing backgrounds, convictions, and sensibilities.  Let's all respect each other in our conversations.
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>   The Board sincerely believes that it is possible for this list serve to be conducted in a common-sense and respectful manner, adhering to the purpose for which the list was created, and without the need to set up a monitoring system.  We appreciate all your help in making this so.
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>   Your GCNA Board
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