12th St. roundabout

Fri Jul 14 10:14:39 PDT 2006

All we need is an update.  Information details.  Everything is already set
to go and approved.  Something from Streets "a release" that is written by
them to be directly posted to the discussion list.  This would hold them
accountable for what is said rather than a interpretation by us.

No details need be reworked.  Just a "official update".

Thank you

W

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From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info
[mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of GCNA President
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 8:22 AM
To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
Subject: RE: 12th St. roundabout

Point taken Wayne.  If you could provide me with as many details as you can
stand to re-hash, and any information on what we would like to see done (as
opposed to what they are trying to stick us with), I will send a
"presidential" communication to the powers that be.  (We are getting
historic lighting, though, correct?)

Thanks Wayne,

Tyler

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From: Wayne Murray [mailto:wayne at xnar.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 8:17 AM
To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
Subject: RE: 12th St. roundabout

Having sent 5 polite inquires to the officials over the past two weeks and
received no response.  Not even an acknowledgement that they received the
e-mails, is rude on their part.  We are not in the "stronger" position
because it is "we" who are requesting action from them.  If you knew the
whole story you would definitely see that we are in a extremely weak
position, and that it was being exploited to place a Traffic Circle like the
one below in the center of our neighborhood with no historic lighting and no
estetic qualities.

differing from what we were able to "fight" for.

Those who expect political correctness are those who exploit it to there
advantage.

It would be great if you could "politely" get an information release sent to
you from Streets Transportation to post on the discussion list.  Differing
from a assurance release.

I have not been able too.

W 

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From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info
[mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of GCNA President
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:52 AM
To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
Subject: RE: 12th St. roundabout

Wayne, Please don't think I am suggesting we should be wimpy.  I think we
should very firmly let the City know that we expect to know what happened,
what specifically they are doing to fix it, the specific date it will be
completed, and who is the person with the city who will be held responsible
for either its successful completion or its failure.  And then give them a
deadline for responding to that request.  Being "polite" isn't being "wimpy"
-- to the contrary, it gives you a stronger position going forward.
"Polite" is the opposite of "rude," not the opposite of "strong."   With a
little editing, your second paragraph below would be a very polite and firm
inquiry to the City.  

Tyler

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From: Wayne Murray [mailto:wayne at xnar.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 7:11 AM
To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
Subject: RE: 12th St. roundabout

While I have to agree with Tyler on approach, I have a hard time "allowing"
others to cause situations that then "expect" that no reaction will occur to
those affected.  This is perhaps why I am in the trenches and not in the
board rooms.

I believe that, taking Tyler's suggestion, that several of those frustrated
others sent "polite" inquiries as to the status of the circle.  Specifically
asking what the problem is and when remedy is expected.  Those in Streets
Transportation should be able to reply with a detailed explanation that can
be posted on the discussion list. Something that would be more than "we are
working on it"  "soon".  Like what happened? And how is it being resolved?
It is answers to these kinds of questions that will satisfy neighbors and
lead to less frustration that result from the lack of "useful" information
that we can assimilate into out experience when we observe the reality of
the Circle.

I am incapable of doing so politely....anyone?  Should be addressed to
Steve, Sara, and Ross....cc to the political figures.

W

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From: central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info
[mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of GCNA President
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:54 PM
To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info
Subject: 12th St. roundabout

Thanks for the information Wayne!  Just so everyone knows, at the last

general meeting, GCNA overwhelmingly asked Wayne to speak for the

neighborhood on these traffic issues with the City.  

I'll second Wayne's encouragement to (politely!) express your frustration to

the powers that be.  And feel free to let them know that Wayne's not some

pain in the neck speaking only for himself -- he's a pain in the neck

speaking for all of us.

Tyler

-----Original Message-----

From: Wayne Murray [mailto:wayne at xnar.com] 

Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:36 PM

To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info

Subject: RE: Artwork in the 12th St. roundabout

Please be encouraged to e-mail your frustrations to the following.

They believe Maureen and I are alone in our disappointment with the handling

of the neighborhood.

All of the following are acutely aware of what you are saying, but it comes

through me.....which well you know.

Ross Blakely, Director of Streets transportation  Ross.Blakley at Phoenix.gov

Steve McKensie Neighborhood Management for Streets Transportation

steven.mckenzie at phoenix.gov

Sara Elco neighborhood management for streets transportation

sara.elco at phoenix.gov

Please copy the mayor mayor.gordon at phoenix.gov

Councilmember Doug Lingner Doug.Lingner at Phoenix.gov

Transportation director for the city Tom Callow  tom.callow at phoenix.gov

Annie Alvarado Neighbohood Services  annie.alvarado at phoenix.gov

The delays were caused by the lack of co-ordination with the neighborhood

and the last minute revisions in the construction planning.  They need to

know. And they all need to know that each other is being notified.

W

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[mailto:central-city-discuss-bounces at gcna.info] On Behalf Of tjvick at cox.net

Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:43 PM

To: central-city-discuss at gcna.info

Subject: Re: Artwork in the 12th St. roundabout

Amen

---- Scott <swilcoxaz at cox.net> wrote: 

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How about they just finish the goddamn thing!

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